Please subscribe to my feed.
I am writing this in because I have been personally affected by what many are calling the NVIDIA Defect. Hopefully others will be more aware of this situation should their laptop experience a premature death.
My laptop was purchased back in 2007 and upgraded to the 8400M graphics system instead of using the default Intel GMA because of light gaming requirements. A year into its use, it began to develop some quirks such as laptop restarting itself, corrupted display, etc. The charger/battery also died soon after.
A few weeks ago, the entire laptop died. Booting it gives a blank display although I could still hear the fans and hard disk functioning normally. Devastated, I contacted Dell and they told me since my laptop is out of warranty, I have no option but to either pay to have the motherboard replaced, or to get an extended warranty to the tune of RM1000 and then have the motherboard replaced for free under warranty.
I was not happy with the outcome because a laptop should definitely be expected to last more than just a mere 2 years so I did a Google search and stumbled upon the core of the problem: The NVIDIA Defect. This problem first surfaced in late 2008 and affected laptops that have the NVIDIA graphics chip. A total of 10 laptops from Dell are affected and they are:
|
Inspiron 1420 |
A09 |
7/14/08 |
1420_A09.EXE |
|
Latitude D630 |
A12 |
6/22/08 |
D630_A12.EXE |
|
Latitude D630c |
A06 |
7/11/08 |
D630CA06.EXE |
|
Dell Precision M2300 |
A07 |
7/11/08 |
M2300A07.EXE |
|
Vostro Notebook 1310 |
A10 |
7/10/08 |
V1310-A10.EXE |
|
Vostro Notebook 1400 |
A09 |
7/10/08 |
1400_A09.EXE |
|
Vostro Notebook 1510 |
A10 |
7/10/08 |
V1510A10.EXE |
|
Vostro Notebook 1710 |
A07 |
7/10/08 |
V1710A07.EXE |
|
XPS M1330 |
A12 |
7/9/08 |
M1330A12.EXE |
|
XPS M1530 |
A09 |
7/25/08 |
1530_A09.EXE |
Other laptop manufacturers such as HP and Gateway also have similar problems. The common problem is that all these laptops have an NVIDIA graphics chip inside.
The problem stemmed from NVIDIA’s engineering fault which caused the graphics chip to operate at abnormally high temperatures. Error in the substrate chemicals used also resulted in the thermal cycles that will lead to the chip detaching itself eventually from the motherboard, thus leading to the ‘blank’ display problem.
Dell have acknowledged the problem and have offered a 1 Year Limited Extended Warranty to cover this defect, and they have also issued a BIOS fix, which forces the fans of the laptop to run at maximum speed for longer periods of the time to cool the laptop down. This led to a very noisy fan with low battery life, certainly not what you expect from the laptop when you first purchased it.
When I found out about this issue, I was very upset and called Dell up and demanded that they do something about the problem. All they did was apologize for the problem and offered me the RM1000 warranty extension and that there is nothing else they could do to me. I threatened to escalate the problem to the Consumer Tribunal but their position did not change. The person on the support line even said, “So are we expected to replace the motherboards of everybody who complained?”. Damn right, if you sold them with a defect!
Regardless, I went to the Consumer Tribunal and got the forms. There are 4 copies that need to be filled. I called Dell again and asked for the name of the person that I should write on the form so that the summons can be served to them. A female came on the line and we danced through the whole issue again, with me complaining about the problem. After putting me on hold for three times, she told me there was nothing she could do to help me because my computer is out of warranty and the system would just reject any request she made to issue me a repair.
I told her fine, just give me the address and name of the person I should serve the summons to. She gave me the address of Dell in Penang but did not offer a name. After I insisted, she put me on hold once more. When she came back on, she told me there’s no need to put a name, but she has conferred with ‘upper management’ and they have decided to give me a free replacement of my motherboard for this issue, because apparently I have never claimed warranty so presumably the money I paid for the warranty will be used to cover this one time fix.
So the moral of the story is, if you have experienced a similar issue, please do not lose hope and try phoning to Dell and demand them to fix your FAULTY/DEFECTIVE laptop. If it doesn’t work, try using the Tribunal to pressure them, and if need be, take the case directly to the Tribunal because no company should be able to sell you a defective product and offer a 1 year extended warranty expecting that is sufficient to cover the problem, especially when the laptop WILL fail, just a matter of how long. I am now happily waiting for Monday for a Dell representative to come over and fix my computer.
If you want to confirm the problem, start the laptop while holding down the ‘D’ key and your laptop screen should flash different colours (confirming its not a LCD problem). Then restart the system holding down the ‘Fn’ and ‘Start’ button and after 5 minutes, the laptop should give a loud beep. That’s how the Dell personnel confirmed the defective chip.
Umbro England
January 20th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I love Nvidia! It’s true that some of they graphic cards run a bit hot but still the power behind them is worthy, tell me you’d prefer an ATI card??
pays to live green
January 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Wow, this is a pretty serious problem. I have a dell laptop, but luckily not one of the ones listed above.
işletme oyunları
January 21st, 2010 at 4:02 am
I love Nvidia!
used tires
January 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
Wow sorry to hear about your problem
I know its always frustrating when something goes wrong with the computer.
Till then,
Jean
Jessen
January 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm
It happened long time ago. Even my Benq S41 laptop with 8600M GS was defected. Sent to factory twice already. Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Nicole Price
January 21st, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I salute you for fighting for what is right and that it was the right thing to do is obvious from the fact that Dell agreed to replace the motherboard. This type of reaction from a company of the size and reputation of Dell is strange and I hope that they realize that people down the line have to be trained to handle these problems properly. It would have been better had they recalled the entire lot with the defect for replacement.
Aluminum Case
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 am
Unfortunately it is not financially feasible to do mass product recalls for every defect. This is a rather serious issue though. If they care about their reputation they should be more willing to fix the issue. It’s too bad that it took repeated Tribunal threats to get fair treatment. Companies realize that many people will put up with problems and hold out to only help the most demanding customers.
Handicapped Shower
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:55 am
wow..good catch..I am about to buy dell lappy.thanks for the info.
Oyun Oyna
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:08 am
This issue is a very serious problem though. If they are willing to resolve the problem known to be important. For much of this Court’s repeated threats to be treated just took bad. Companies, many issues that people will put up with, and only to help keep the most demanding customers are aware.
iSlate
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Is this limited to the above models? I have a Vostro 1000 that beeps when I do that test – and it does some strange things like restart etc
Caleb
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:19 am
So I guess it is safe to say NO to any device with NVIDIA chips, huh?
Program
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:36 am
NVIDIA bedrock recently what I never liked the graphics card is not what I would recommend other products
sohbet
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Legitimate Work From Home Jobs
January 24th, 2010 at 6:40 am
I heard of this happening, but did not know of anyone who actually experienced it. I wouldn’t think it would be an issue of expense to recall all the effected models – or components – for a company such as Dell. Do you know if other models are experiencing this issue?
Dns
January 25th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
My laptop hav the same prob as u mention, 2 days ago whn i running a game, the screen blinking and dumping physical memory… after all it cannot start at all!
Kitkat
January 25th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
For those who’re worrying about this, don’t worry. It only affects the Nvidia 8 series graphic card. 9 series is potentially affected but we have no solid evidence so I guess it’s safe to use Nvidia from 9 series onwards.
Also, most of the manufacturers had provided solution by activating the motherboard fan more frequently through BIOS update to avoid CPU & GPU overheating. So I guess the problem is solved. At least for now.
ninjaproxy
January 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Do you know if other models are experiencing this issue?
sharninder
January 29th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Is this the same defect that even some Macbook Pros were affected by ?
Kitkat
January 30th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Yes. Macbook Pros with 8600M GT are potentially affected. Other models with 8 series graphic engine (except the integrated one, if I’m not mistaken) are affected. But as for now, I think the problem has bee solved by manufacturer through BIOS upgrade. So no worries.
Howard
January 30th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Wow I didn’t know so many people were affected by this. OK in short if your laptop suddenly ‘dies’ with a blank screen, do the tests that I have mentioned in the article. If you get the same results as I do, then you indeed have the NVIDIA defect issue and I suggest you hound Dell CS until they give you a free replacement. If you laptop has an NVIDIA chip and experiencing some glitches like random restarts, please call up Dell especially if you are still under warranty (remember you have an extra 1 year extended warranty from Dell for this defect issue, so if you buy the normal 1 year, you have extra 1 year).
The list of models that are affected can be found with a simple google search for NVIDIA dell defect or something to that effect. AFAIK the BIOS did nothing for my laptop. I have been running A10 for a few months and it still didn’t prevent the chip from dying. The issue here is that if you use the computer for gaming for elevated periods of time, you WILL get into trouble sooner or later. Invest in a laptop cooling pad and keep an eye on ur laptop temperature.
Program
February 11th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
It happened long time ago. Even my Benq S41 laptop with 8600M GS was defected. Sent to factory twice already. Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Babahdy
February 18th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Hello…above problem is same as mine,i bought dell inspiron 1420 at the end of year 2008 and the defect occured recently,same as yours Mr.Howard. I dont know what to do else,can you give me any number to contact to solve this annoying problem?Im from Batu Pahat, Johor
Thanks
ki
February 24th, 2010 at 7:09 am
My laptop is having the same problem. I had this since 2 months and thought it was LCD and did not investigate. 2 weeks back started looking in to this..google helped me to find this site to know the real porblem. I called dell CS but they refused to replace the part, since it was out of warranty last Nov. I do not know what to do next but if i want to replace my self , the card cost 95$
any sujjestions to complain on dell and fight ?
Steve
February 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Same problem here. Can’t believe how many Feb2010 comment I’m seeing on this. I was issued my refurbed Inspiron 1420 as a replacement to an in-warranty unrepairable laptop about a year ago. My 4 year Warranty expired around this time in 2009, amazingly my problems started about 2 months BEFORE warranty expiration. So, not sure if I’m within 1 year from the end of that or not – there is still the total 60 month warranty limitation. To me the best ammo you have is that on the Dell community blog pages they acknowledge the issue. One of their guys, a Lionel, has about 4 blogs over the course of 2009-2010 about this issue and how Dell has addressed it. When I found this documentation, I called the Out of Warranty support and got the sales pitch about paying for one time support or an extra year of warranty to start troubleshooting. I told them right away this was a known and Dell acknowledged problem on their own website, and offered to email him the link. He had to go talk to a supervisor, but now I am approved for a replacement motherboard, installed by one of their techs. The motherboard is only the nvidia one with A10 bios, wasn’t able to get them to approve the intel GPU. Basically if I didn’t know to tell them that their own website documents this issue and that there are extended warranty implications, they wouldn’t have known. Which amazes me that this wasn’t the first thing they tried once they identified the model and service tag and issues. Sounds like everyone is having different levels of success with them, so just go into it persistant to hold them to their own policy, even when you have to tell them what their policy is.
vikrant
March 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
hii howard…
i have an inspiron 1420 with the same dreaded nvidia 8400m gs chip on it…
also, i faced the same problems with it recently as u did…
i’m quite frustrated because i dont use my notebook to its limits and still i’m facing a problem here…
maybe the nvidia video card has conked…
called the support people and i was pitched with the warranty scheme they had to offer…
i dont want to pay them for a warranty as i have never had any issues with my laptop n never used my warranty.
now… i would like to try your method of going to the court but dont how well will that work out in here in india…
i had bought my laptop from the US. little did i know that i’d be facing this day…
kindly suggest me a solution if u can…
thnx