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I am writing this in because I have been personally affected by what many are calling the NVIDIA Defect. Hopefully others will be more aware of this situation should their laptop experience a premature death.
My laptop was purchased back in 2007 and upgraded to the 8400M graphics system instead of using the default Intel GMA because of light gaming requirements. A year into its use, it began to develop some quirks such as laptop restarting itself, corrupted display, etc. The charger/battery also died soon after.
A few weeks ago, the entire laptop died. Booting it gives a blank display although I could still hear the fans and hard disk functioning normally. Devastated, I contacted Dell and they told me since my laptop is out of warranty, I have no option but to either pay to have the motherboard replaced, or to get an extended warranty to the tune of RM1000 and then have the motherboard replaced for free under warranty.
I was not happy with the outcome because a laptop should definitely be expected to last more than just a mere 2 years so I did a Google search and stumbled upon the core of the problem: The NVIDIA Defect. This problem first surfaced in late 2008 and affected laptops that have the NVIDIA graphics chip. A total of 10 laptops from Dell are affected and they are:
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Inspiron 1420 |
A09 |
7/14/08 |
1420_A09.EXE |
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Latitude D630 |
A12 |
6/22/08 |
D630_A12.EXE |
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Latitude D630c |
A06 |
7/11/08 |
D630CA06.EXE |
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Dell Precision M2300 |
A07 |
7/11/08 |
M2300A07.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1310 |
A10 |
7/10/08 |
V1310-A10.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1400 |
A09 |
7/10/08 |
1400_A09.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1510 |
A10 |
7/10/08 |
V1510A10.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1710 |
A07 |
7/10/08 |
V1710A07.EXE |
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XPS M1330 |
A12 |
7/9/08 |
M1330A12.EXE |
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XPS M1530 |
A09 |
7/25/08 |
1530_A09.EXE |
Other laptop manufacturers such as HP and Gateway also have similar problems. The common problem is that all these laptops have an NVIDIA graphics chip inside.
The problem stemmed from NVIDIA’s engineering fault which caused the graphics chip to operate at abnormally high temperatures. Error in the substrate chemicals used also resulted in the thermal cycles that will lead to the chip detaching itself eventually from the motherboard, thus leading to the ‘blank’ display problem.
Dell have acknowledged the problem and have offered a 1 Year Limited Extended Warranty to cover this defect, and they have also issued a BIOS fix, which forces the fans of the laptop to run at maximum speed for longer periods of the time to cool the laptop down. This led to a very noisy fan with low battery life, certainly not what you expect from the laptop when you first purchased it.
When I found out about this issue, I was very upset and called Dell up and demanded that they do something about the problem. All they did was apologize for the problem and offered me the RM1000 warranty extension and that there is nothing else they could do to me. I threatened to escalate the problem to the Consumer Tribunal but their position did not change. The person on the support line even said, “So are we expected to replace the motherboards of everybody who complained?”. Damn right, if you sold them with a defect!
Regardless, I went to the Consumer Tribunal and got the forms. There are 4 copies that need to be filled. I called Dell again and asked for the name of the person that I should write on the form so that the summons can be served to them. A female came on the line and we danced through the whole issue again, with me complaining about the problem. After putting me on hold for three times, she told me there was nothing she could do to help me because my computer is out of warranty and the system would just reject any request she made to issue me a repair.
I told her fine, just give me the address and name of the person I should serve the summons to. She gave me the address of Dell in Penang but did not offer a name. After I insisted, she put me on hold once more. When she came back on, she told me there’s no need to put a name, but she has conferred with ‘upper management’ and they have decided to give me a free replacement of my motherboard for this issue, because apparently I have never claimed warranty so presumably the money I paid for the warranty will be used to cover this one time fix.
So the moral of the story is, if you have experienced a similar issue, please do not lose hope and try phoning to Dell and demand them to fix your FAULTY/DEFECTIVE laptop. If it doesn’t work, try using the Tribunal to pressure them, and if need be, take the case directly to the Tribunal because no company should be able to sell you a defective product and offer a 1 year extended warranty expecting that is sufficient to cover the problem, especially when the laptop WILL fail, just a matter of how long. I am now happily waiting for Monday for a Dell representative to come over and fix my computer.
If you want to confirm the problem, start the laptop while holding down the ‘D’ key and your laptop screen should flash different colours (confirming its not a LCD problem). Then restart the system holding down the ‘Fn’ and ‘Start’ button and after 5 minutes, the laptop should give a loud beep. That’s how the Dell personnel confirmed the defective chip.
Umbro England
January 20th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I love Nvidia! It’s true that some of they graphic cards run a bit hot but still the power behind them is worthy, tell me you’d prefer an ATI card??
pays to live green
January 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Wow, this is a pretty serious problem. I have a dell laptop, but luckily not one of the ones listed above.
işletme oyunları
January 21st, 2010 at 4:02 am
I love Nvidia!
used tires
January 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
Wow sorry to hear about your problem
I know its always frustrating when something goes wrong with the computer.
Till then,
Jean
Jessen
January 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm
It happened long time ago. Even my Benq S41 laptop with 8600M GS was defected. Sent to factory twice already. Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Nicole Price
January 21st, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I salute you for fighting for what is right and that it was the right thing to do is obvious from the fact that Dell agreed to replace the motherboard. This type of reaction from a company of the size and reputation of Dell is strange and I hope that they realize that people down the line have to be trained to handle these problems properly. It would have been better had they recalled the entire lot with the defect for replacement.
Aluminum Case
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 am
Unfortunately it is not financially feasible to do mass product recalls for every defect. This is a rather serious issue though. If they care about their reputation they should be more willing to fix the issue. It’s too bad that it took repeated Tribunal threats to get fair treatment. Companies realize that many people will put up with problems and hold out to only help the most demanding customers.
Handicapped Shower
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:55 am
wow..good catch..I am about to buy dell lappy.thanks for the info.
Oyun Oyna
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:08 am
This issue is a very serious problem though. If they are willing to resolve the problem known to be important. For much of this Court’s repeated threats to be treated just took bad. Companies, many issues that people will put up with, and only to help keep the most demanding customers are aware.
iSlate
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Is this limited to the above models? I have a Vostro 1000 that beeps when I do that test – and it does some strange things like restart etc
Caleb
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:19 am
So I guess it is safe to say NO to any device with NVIDIA chips, huh?
Program
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:36 am
NVIDIA bedrock recently what I never liked the graphics card is not what I would recommend other products
sohbet
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Legitimate Work From Home Jobs
January 24th, 2010 at 6:40 am
I heard of this happening, but did not know of anyone who actually experienced it. I wouldn’t think it would be an issue of expense to recall all the effected models – or components – for a company such as Dell. Do you know if other models are experiencing this issue?
Dns
January 25th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
My laptop hav the same prob as u mention, 2 days ago whn i running a game, the screen blinking and dumping physical memory… after all it cannot start at all!
Kitkat
January 25th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
For those who’re worrying about this, don’t worry. It only affects the Nvidia 8 series graphic card. 9 series is potentially affected but we have no solid evidence so I guess it’s safe to use Nvidia from 9 series onwards.
Also, most of the manufacturers had provided solution by activating the motherboard fan more frequently through BIOS update to avoid CPU & GPU overheating. So I guess the problem is solved. At least for now.
ninjaproxy
January 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Do you know if other models are experiencing this issue?
sharninder
January 29th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Is this the same defect that even some Macbook Pros were affected by ?
Kitkat
January 30th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Yes. Macbook Pros with 8600M GT are potentially affected. Other models with 8 series graphic engine (except the integrated one, if I’m not mistaken) are affected. But as for now, I think the problem has bee solved by manufacturer through BIOS upgrade. So no worries.
Howard
January 30th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Wow I didn’t know so many people were affected by this. OK in short if your laptop suddenly ‘dies’ with a blank screen, do the tests that I have mentioned in the article. If you get the same results as I do, then you indeed have the NVIDIA defect issue and I suggest you hound Dell CS until they give you a free replacement. If you laptop has an NVIDIA chip and experiencing some glitches like random restarts, please call up Dell especially if you are still under warranty (remember you have an extra 1 year extended warranty from Dell for this defect issue, so if you buy the normal 1 year, you have extra 1 year).
The list of models that are affected can be found with a simple google search for NVIDIA dell defect or something to that effect. AFAIK the BIOS did nothing for my laptop. I have been running A10 for a few months and it still didn’t prevent the chip from dying. The issue here is that if you use the computer for gaming for elevated periods of time, you WILL get into trouble sooner or later. Invest in a laptop cooling pad and keep an eye on ur laptop temperature.
Program
February 11th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
It happened long time ago. Even my Benq S41 laptop with 8600M GS was defected. Sent to factory twice already. Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Babahdy
February 18th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Hello…above problem is same as mine,i bought dell inspiron 1420 at the end of year 2008 and the defect occured recently,same as yours Mr.Howard. I dont know what to do else,can you give me any number to contact to solve this annoying problem?Im from Batu Pahat, Johor
Thanks
ki
February 24th, 2010 at 7:09 am
My laptop is having the same problem. I had this since 2 months and thought it was LCD and did not investigate. 2 weeks back started looking in to this..google helped me to find this site to know the real porblem. I called dell CS but they refused to replace the part, since it was out of warranty last Nov. I do not know what to do next but if i want to replace my self , the card cost 95$
any sujjestions to complain on dell and fight ?
Steve
February 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Same problem here. Can’t believe how many Feb2010 comment I’m seeing on this. I was issued my refurbed Inspiron 1420 as a replacement to an in-warranty unrepairable laptop about a year ago. My 4 year Warranty expired around this time in 2009, amazingly my problems started about 2 months BEFORE warranty expiration. So, not sure if I’m within 1 year from the end of that or not – there is still the total 60 month warranty limitation. To me the best ammo you have is that on the Dell community blog pages they acknowledge the issue. One of their guys, a Lionel, has about 4 blogs over the course of 2009-2010 about this issue and how Dell has addressed it. When I found this documentation, I called the Out of Warranty support and got the sales pitch about paying for one time support or an extra year of warranty to start troubleshooting. I told them right away this was a known and Dell acknowledged problem on their own website, and offered to email him the link. He had to go talk to a supervisor, but now I am approved for a replacement motherboard, installed by one of their techs. The motherboard is only the nvidia one with A10 bios, wasn’t able to get them to approve the intel GPU. Basically if I didn’t know to tell them that their own website documents this issue and that there are extended warranty implications, they wouldn’t have known. Which amazes me that this wasn’t the first thing they tried once they identified the model and service tag and issues. Sounds like everyone is having different levels of success with them, so just go into it persistant to hold them to their own policy, even when you have to tell them what their policy is.
vikrant
March 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
hii howard…
i have an inspiron 1420 with the same dreaded nvidia 8400m gs chip on it…
also, i faced the same problems with it recently as u did…
i’m quite frustrated because i dont use my notebook to its limits and still i’m facing a problem here…
maybe the nvidia video card has conked…
called the support people and i was pitched with the warranty scheme they had to offer…
i dont want to pay them for a warranty as i have never had any issues with my laptop n never used my warranty.
now… i would like to try your method of going to the court but dont how well will that work out in here in india…
i had bought my laptop from the US. little did i know that i’d be facing this day…
kindly suggest me a solution if u can…
thnx
vektör
April 18th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Hopefully it won’t happen again.
suresh
April 20th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
I have the same problem described,can any one suggest what to do,my warranty expired last month.
-Suresh
Jay
April 29th, 2010 at 1:49 am
Hi, Where do I find this Consumer Tribunal? … and other such consumer advocates?
I’m preparing to go to war with Dell. It’s absolutely disgusting how they treat customers and time for them (and their ilk) to be reminded that they got where they are with customer service and that they can go back to the bottom by forgoing it.
Thanks
Computer Repairs Perth
April 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
It’s fairly common and oddly enough will happen days after the warranty finishes. Strange how that works.
Aman
May 2nd, 2010 at 3:31 am
Thanks Howard for this detailed info.
I experienced the same thing in my Dell 1420 Inspiron.
I verified that its the same problem as per the steps you told to determine whether its chip problem or not.
I bought this Laptop from Dell Center in China (when I was there) exactly 2 yrs back.
It was working perfectly till last week. Strange thing is when I try to start & shut down many many times, the laptopn starts but after some time the display is out. Any reason why ?
Currently I don’t warranty for my laptop
Now, what to do in this case.
1. talk with Dell – which is waste of time, I think
2. Go to some local shop for change of NVIDIA chip
3. any others ?
Paul
May 18th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Proud to say this guide has worked for me. I had my doubts in the long process.. The fight began :
Contacted dell chat support using a different laptop serial tag which wasnt expired. Was quickly transferred from latitude support to inspiron support.
After a brief conversation, explaining the problem as seen above, the technician promptly stated I have to conact dell extended warranty support as this laptop has no warranty- end of story.
I called dell extended warranty , the number they gave me was 1-877-477-3355. I called the extended warranty and obtained a low level customer support tech. I explained the problem to him ( it was over his head) and he put me on hold several times “looking into the issue”. Upon coming back, he said the call needs to be transferred and asked if i would like to speak with customer support or technical support. Dumbfounded I asked, why can’t you assist me? And the technician repeated himself, and added I’m transferring you to technical support. Astonished, I had no choice but to oblige.
On to Extended warranty technical support. I explained the problem yet again, and with the requests for details from the technician, i provided him with the sure-fire symptoms of my video card failure ( hard disk operating, fan operating, lcd screen turned on, nothing displaying, colors cycle on lcd when “d” depressed while turning on laptop which indicate a non-lcd issue). The technician put me on hold for 5 minutes, returned saying that this laptop has a video card problem. The technician then attempted to transfer me to the dell parts hotline to have me PAY FOR THE VIDEO CARD as the laptop is out of warranty. Stopping the technician dead in his sentence, I clarified the situation. The laptop has a video card, which DELL has acknowledged to be defective. As this was the issue, they extended the warranty.. and my laptop survived that extended warranty period. Now why should i be charged extra if my laptop suffered from the defective video card post- extended warranty time. If this was a toyota with faulty brakes.. can you imagine toyota saying – we offered the brake fix for 1 year.. too bad u didnt know about that.. now please pay $2,000 to fix your car or else your car won’t work.
So, unmoved, the technician puts me on hold to confer with his supervisor whether or not he is able to provide the video card for free. Returning in about 60 seconds, the technician “regrets to inform me that the warranty is expired and the video card cannot be replaced free of charge”. I ask to speak with the supervisor. After being on hold for 5 minutes, the supervisor answers the phone. I knew this was the top of the food chain, and planned my introduction very smoothly. I introduced myself politely, and stated the issue with delicacy. The supervisor again, stated the laptop is out of warranty and she can transfer me to the parts hotline to order the video card. I repeated that this laptop , dell inspiron 1420, has been known to have this video card defect, correct? yes. Dell has acknowledged this defect and offered the 1 year extended warranty correct? yes, and the supervisor went on to put me on hold to see whether my laptop was affected by this issue. Coming back, the supervisor attempted telling me that my laptop does not have this nvidea video card defect as my laptop did not come with an nvidea card. I reassured the supervisor that my laptop has the video card in question, and provided my service tag.. upon checking the specifications, the supervisor attempted telling me the video card in question is only for the integrated mother board/video card combination, and my laptop is not such. Knowing this is not the case, I stated that my laptop does indeed have the integrated video card/motherboard combination as this has already been verified earlier.
The supervisor halted for a few seconds and agreed.. stating that given the circumstances of this issue, and as a one time exception, dell will be able to cover the cost of the motherboard and video card. … can i have your shipping address so I can send out a technician with the replacement hardware…?
In conclusion, you see the excruciating resilience it takes to win over dell customer support.. for a defect which they acknowledged earlier to be fixed on laptops which have just surpassed the warranty.. Please, take this long and elaborate ordeal which I have written out,( as i waited for the technician to give me a confirmation number ( yes, about 20 minutes)) as a proof to the ability to win against dell customer support.. Keep fighting, clawing, and biting.. and u just might get your way with Dell Customer Support- #1 in the businesss.. or so it still believes it is..
Yours Truly,
A tired Dell user
Got it Fixed, WA
May 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Thanks for the comment on this page everyone. My 1420 is one month over the extended warrenty for this nvidia defect, but I they still fixed my laptop for free.
They tried to say that they couldn’t (as any business would) but keep persisting and they will fix it for you in the end
cc
May 26th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I bought Inspiron 1420 in August2008. Since last month, it did have the same problem as Howard’s laptop. After I read Howard’s post, I did test my laptop. I restart my laptop by holding down the ‘Fn’ and ‘Start’ buttons. Well, my laptop runs normally. Can i know why?
I’m scared that my laptop will ‘die’ again suddenly.
lily
June 1st, 2010 at 12:57 pm
I experienced the same problem with my 1420 laptop, and seriously, tired with long talk with customer service or whatever. Is it worthy if I change my Nvdia chip at any computer shop without refer to Dell?
And yes, my laptop is out of warranty.
G Web
June 1st, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Do anybod of you know the name or model number of the dodgy nvidia chip? I am looking at buying a 2nd hand notebook, and want to make sure that I do not inadvertently purchase a ticking time bomb that will fail on me when I can ill afford it too.
Samson
June 9th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
For those who encountered this nVidia problem you can simply replace your 1420 motherboard with Non-nVidia graphic chip. 2nd hand 1420 motherboards can be easy purchase from China for ~US$150.
stncttr908
June 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Just had my GPU in my 1420 go on me today. I knew it would happen eventually as the 8400GS is nothing more than a ticking time bomb. I’ll try the methods suggested by those above and report back my results!
On the subject of replacing it with the Intel board, is that even possible? I would figure the NVIDIA equipped board would have more in the way of cooling that would cause the fitting of the Intel-only board to be a real PITA.
Miguel
July 8th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Hi Howard,
I am having exactly the same issue with a Vostro 1400, and Dell is not helping me because my system is out of warranty (same as yours). Could you please give me some email addresses or people names that I could contact?
Simon
July 17th, 2010 at 8:02 am
I have the same problem with my Dell Inspiron 1420. I had my graphics card die on me around the same time as Paul.
Ironically, without reading Paul’s comment, my arguments with the Dell supervisor followed the same script (except I was more adamant about my request). The sad part is that when I also brought up the Toyota recall/parts defects he dismissed it quickly and said Toyota’s situation was a life or death situation, mine wasn’t. Furthermore, his argument for the chip dying was my fault. He said that the extended warranty was issued as a precautionary measure to unsure that the few chips that were defective would be sent in and that my chip died regardless of the issue. I even went through the whole song and dance stating that Dell acknowledged the problem with an extended warranty, to which he agreed, but did nothing (other than offer a $100 limited time discount on the cost of replacing a motherboard).
Long story short, I am never buying a Dell again. My laptop would be the fourth Dell computer in our household, but never again. Thankfully, I bought my laptop using VISA and they value their one year extended warranty. They are in the process of reimbursing me with the money required to replace the mobo + card. However, due to the fact that they will be replacing the laptop with the SAME faulty graphics card, and another disastrous encounter with a sales representative (as mentioned below) I now abhor Dell. I will be putting this money towards a new desktop.
Note, always know all your facts before calling Dell. I got misdirected to the sales department during one of my calls.. and the representative somehow convinced me that I needed an EXPENSIVE OLD DESKTOP graphics card. When I accidentally gave out my card number, he cut me short and hung up. Thankfully, I was able to cancel the order before the mandatory restocking fee was issued.
Razali
July 20th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Is it possible to repair/replace the defected gpu from other vendor or computer outlet. Can i revert to original intel gpu? What model it was? If possible how much cost it will be. Any other suggestion.
Last not least any advice is appreciated.
evan
July 27th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Yep, same damn thing happened with my inspiron 1420. Same specs, same bullshit. I was able to get the 1 year extended hardware warranty for like $168 though, better than $400+ for a mobo replacement. All 1420 users with the 8400GS beware, this WILL happen eventually if you use any kind of graphics intensive programs. Be prepared, extend your warranties, so you don’t get bent over by dell.
J-girl
August 9th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Hi from Japan. Exactly same here with my Inspiron 1420 purchased here in Japan at early 2008. I phoned Technical Service thousand times and talked to different operaters at each time, but they don’t even know what the damn problem is. They said that the problem might be “dust” around fan area. You guys are lucky that you can talk to operators who speak your language at least. Here in japan, all Technical operators are foreigners who don’t really know Japanese. That doubles up stress!!!
MacMike
August 15th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Bought a used Mac Book Pro 15 2.2GHz Santa Rosa off eBay. Used the Mac for about one month and suddenly no video. Found Apple recall info & set up Genius Bar appt. at local Apple Store. After 20 minutes, tech returns PC and says it’s not covered under the recall because the chip serial number is not in “their” list of eligible machines, even though manufacture dates and serial number of MBP is well within recall parameters, “Genius ” tech said they can do a repair for $600. Being a tech myself, (and an Apple user and tech longer than this guy has walked the planet!), I said no thanks and left store very dissatisfied with Apple. I’m currently attempting a re-solder fix to see if that works, otherwise, I’m looking at a replacement mobo that’s almost the cost of the Mac. If I didn’t need a dual boot machine so bad for work I’d tell Apple to shove their overpriced laptops where sun doesn’t shine.
Raj
August 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 am
Hi
Thanks for the information.
I encountered a dispaly error ( due to high temperature) and contacted DELL. My warranty had expired and I offered to renew it but quoted over 50% of the cost of the laptop. I said no thanks.
The problem occured again today and my system seems to boot but there is no display. This post really helped me gaining a perspetive on the problem. However, I have lost trust on DELL because they never alerted a customer to the problem despite several occurences. In my view this amounts to incompetence if not cheating.
Nevertheless, thanks for the insights in this post.
DeA
August 25th, 2010 at 4:19 am
I tried call the number but it was all about pay 400 plus bucks for motherboard replacement. So 1100.00 dollars and less than 2 years of good use and its a piece of junk. I uninstalled the display driver and my laptop has not restarted or given any errors with display but the video is choppy without the driver. Looks good just slow and a little choppy. Im sure any intensive apps that use the video will not work without the drivers now. We need to figure out something to do with dell. This is on them.