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I am writing this in because I have been personally affected by what many are calling the NVIDIA Defect. Hopefully others will be more aware of this situation should their laptop experience a premature death.
My laptop was purchased back in 2007 and upgraded to the 8400M graphics system instead of using the default Intel GMA because of light gaming requirements. A year into its use, it began to develop some quirks such as laptop restarting itself, corrupted display, etc. The charger/battery also died soon after.
A few weeks ago, the entire laptop died. Booting it gives a blank display although I could still hear the fans and hard disk functioning normally. Devastated, I contacted Dell and they told me since my laptop is out of warranty, I have no option but to either pay to have the motherboard replaced, or to get an extended warranty to the tune of RM1000 and then have the motherboard replaced for free under warranty.
I was not happy with the outcome because a laptop should definitely be expected to last more than just a mere 2 years so I did a Google search and stumbled upon the core of the problem: The NVIDIA Defect. This problem first surfaced in late 2008 and affected laptops that have the NVIDIA graphics chip. A total of 10 laptops from Dell are affected and they are:
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Inspiron 1420 |
A09 |
7/14/08 |
1420_A09.EXE |
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Latitude D630 |
A12 |
6/22/08 |
D630_A12.EXE |
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Latitude D630c |
A06 |
7/11/08 |
D630CA06.EXE |
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Dell Precision M2300 |
A07 |
7/11/08 |
M2300A07.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1310 |
A10 |
7/10/08 |
V1310-A10.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1400 |
A09 |
7/10/08 |
1400_A09.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1510 |
A10 |
7/10/08 |
V1510A10.EXE |
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Vostro Notebook 1710 |
A07 |
7/10/08 |
V1710A07.EXE |
|
XPS M1330 |
A12 |
7/9/08 |
M1330A12.EXE |
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XPS M1530 |
A09 |
7/25/08 |
1530_A09.EXE |
Other laptop manufacturers such as HP and Gateway also have similar problems. The common problem is that all these laptops have an NVIDIA graphics chip inside.
The problem stemmed from NVIDIA’s engineering fault which caused the graphics chip to operate at abnormally high temperatures. Error in the substrate chemicals used also resulted in the thermal cycles that will lead to the chip detaching itself eventually from the motherboard, thus leading to the ‘blank’ display problem.
Dell have acknowledged the problem and have offered a 1 Year Limited Extended Warranty to cover this defect, and they have also issued a BIOS fix, which forces the fans of the laptop to run at maximum speed for longer periods of the time to cool the laptop down. This led to a very noisy fan with low battery life, certainly not what you expect from the laptop when you first purchased it.
When I found out about this issue, I was very upset and called Dell up and demanded that they do something about the problem. All they did was apologize for the problem and offered me the RM1000 warranty extension and that there is nothing else they could do to me. I threatened to escalate the problem to the Consumer Tribunal but their position did not change. The person on the support line even said, “So are we expected to replace the motherboards of everybody who complained?”. Damn right, if you sold them with a defect!
Regardless, I went to the Consumer Tribunal and got the forms. There are 4 copies that need to be filled. I called Dell again and asked for the name of the person that I should write on the form so that the summons can be served to them. A female came on the line and we danced through the whole issue again, with me complaining about the problem. After putting me on hold for three times, she told me there was nothing she could do to help me because my computer is out of warranty and the system would just reject any request she made to issue me a repair.
I told her fine, just give me the address and name of the person I should serve the summons to. She gave me the address of Dell in Penang but did not offer a name. After I insisted, she put me on hold once more. When she came back on, she told me there’s no need to put a name, but she has conferred with ‘upper management’ and they have decided to give me a free replacement of my motherboard for this issue, because apparently I have never claimed warranty so presumably the money I paid for the warranty will be used to cover this one time fix.
So the moral of the story is, if you have experienced a similar issue, please do not lose hope and try phoning to Dell and demand them to fix your FAULTY/DEFECTIVE laptop. If it doesn’t work, try using the Tribunal to pressure them, and if need be, take the case directly to the Tribunal because no company should be able to sell you a defective product and offer a 1 year extended warranty expecting that is sufficient to cover the problem, especially when the laptop WILL fail, just a matter of how long. I am now happily waiting for Monday for a Dell representative to come over and fix my computer.
If you want to confirm the problem, start the laptop while holding down the ‘D’ key and your laptop screen should flash different colours (confirming its not a LCD problem). Then restart the system holding down the ‘Fn’ and ‘Start’ button and after 5 minutes, the laptop should give a loud beep. That’s how the Dell personnel confirmed the defective chip.
Umbro England
January 20th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I love Nvidia! It’s true that some of they graphic cards run a bit hot but still the power behind them is worthy, tell me you’d prefer an ATI card??
pays to live green
January 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Wow, this is a pretty serious problem. I have a dell laptop, but luckily not one of the ones listed above.
işletme oyunları
January 21st, 2010 at 4:02 am
I love Nvidia!
used tires
January 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
Wow sorry to hear about your problem
I know its always frustrating when something goes wrong with the computer.
Till then,
Jean
Jessen
January 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm
It happened long time ago. Even my Benq S41 laptop with 8600M GS was defected. Sent to factory twice already. Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Nicole Price
January 21st, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I salute you for fighting for what is right and that it was the right thing to do is obvious from the fact that Dell agreed to replace the motherboard. This type of reaction from a company of the size and reputation of Dell is strange and I hope that they realize that people down the line have to be trained to handle these problems properly. It would have been better had they recalled the entire lot with the defect for replacement.
Aluminum Case
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 am
Unfortunately it is not financially feasible to do mass product recalls for every defect. This is a rather serious issue though. If they care about their reputation they should be more willing to fix the issue. It’s too bad that it took repeated Tribunal threats to get fair treatment. Companies realize that many people will put up with problems and hold out to only help the most demanding customers.
Handicapped Shower
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:55 am
wow..good catch..I am about to buy dell lappy.thanks for the info.
Oyun Oyna
January 22nd, 2010 at 5:08 am
This issue is a very serious problem though. If they are willing to resolve the problem known to be important. For much of this Court’s repeated threats to be treated just took bad. Companies, many issues that people will put up with, and only to help keep the most demanding customers are aware.
iSlate
January 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Is this limited to the above models? I have a Vostro 1000 that beeps when I do that test – and it does some strange things like restart etc
Caleb
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:19 am
So I guess it is safe to say NO to any device with NVIDIA chips, huh?
Program
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:36 am
NVIDIA bedrock recently what I never liked the graphics card is not what I would recommend other products
sohbet
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Legitimate Work From Home Jobs
January 24th, 2010 at 6:40 am
I heard of this happening, but did not know of anyone who actually experienced it. I wouldn’t think it would be an issue of expense to recall all the effected models – or components – for a company such as Dell. Do you know if other models are experiencing this issue?
Dns
January 25th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
My laptop hav the same prob as u mention, 2 days ago whn i running a game, the screen blinking and dumping physical memory… after all it cannot start at all!
Kitkat
January 25th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
For those who’re worrying about this, don’t worry. It only affects the Nvidia 8 series graphic card. 9 series is potentially affected but we have no solid evidence so I guess it’s safe to use Nvidia from 9 series onwards.
Also, most of the manufacturers had provided solution by activating the motherboard fan more frequently through BIOS update to avoid CPU & GPU overheating. So I guess the problem is solved. At least for now.
ninjaproxy
January 27th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Do you know if other models are experiencing this issue?
sharninder
January 29th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Is this the same defect that even some Macbook Pros were affected by ?
Kitkat
January 30th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Yes. Macbook Pros with 8600M GT are potentially affected. Other models with 8 series graphic engine (except the integrated one, if I’m not mistaken) are affected. But as for now, I think the problem has bee solved by manufacturer through BIOS upgrade. So no worries.
Howard
January 30th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Wow I didn’t know so many people were affected by this. OK in short if your laptop suddenly ‘dies’ with a blank screen, do the tests that I have mentioned in the article. If you get the same results as I do, then you indeed have the NVIDIA defect issue and I suggest you hound Dell CS until they give you a free replacement. If you laptop has an NVIDIA chip and experiencing some glitches like random restarts, please call up Dell especially if you are still under warranty (remember you have an extra 1 year extended warranty from Dell for this defect issue, so if you buy the normal 1 year, you have extra 1 year).
The list of models that are affected can be found with a simple google search for NVIDIA dell defect or something to that effect. AFAIK the BIOS did nothing for my laptop. I have been running A10 for a few months and it still didn’t prevent the chip from dying. The issue here is that if you use the computer for gaming for elevated periods of time, you WILL get into trouble sooner or later. Invest in a laptop cooling pad and keep an eye on ur laptop temperature.
Program
February 11th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
It happened long time ago. Even my Benq S41 laptop with 8600M GS was defected. Sent to factory twice already. Hopefully it won’t happen again.
Babahdy
February 18th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Hello…above problem is same as mine,i bought dell inspiron 1420 at the end of year 2008 and the defect occured recently,same as yours Mr.Howard. I dont know what to do else,can you give me any number to contact to solve this annoying problem?Im from Batu Pahat, Johor
Thanks
ki
February 24th, 2010 at 7:09 am
My laptop is having the same problem. I had this since 2 months and thought it was LCD and did not investigate. 2 weeks back started looking in to this..google helped me to find this site to know the real porblem. I called dell CS but they refused to replace the part, since it was out of warranty last Nov. I do not know what to do next but if i want to replace my self , the card cost 95$
any sujjestions to complain on dell and fight ?
Steve
February 26th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Same problem here. Can’t believe how many Feb2010 comment I’m seeing on this. I was issued my refurbed Inspiron 1420 as a replacement to an in-warranty unrepairable laptop about a year ago. My 4 year Warranty expired around this time in 2009, amazingly my problems started about 2 months BEFORE warranty expiration. So, not sure if I’m within 1 year from the end of that or not – there is still the total 60 month warranty limitation. To me the best ammo you have is that on the Dell community blog pages they acknowledge the issue. One of their guys, a Lionel, has about 4 blogs over the course of 2009-2010 about this issue and how Dell has addressed it. When I found this documentation, I called the Out of Warranty support and got the sales pitch about paying for one time support or an extra year of warranty to start troubleshooting. I told them right away this was a known and Dell acknowledged problem on their own website, and offered to email him the link. He had to go talk to a supervisor, but now I am approved for a replacement motherboard, installed by one of their techs. The motherboard is only the nvidia one with A10 bios, wasn’t able to get them to approve the intel GPU. Basically if I didn’t know to tell them that their own website documents this issue and that there are extended warranty implications, they wouldn’t have known. Which amazes me that this wasn’t the first thing they tried once they identified the model and service tag and issues. Sounds like everyone is having different levels of success with them, so just go into it persistant to hold them to their own policy, even when you have to tell them what their policy is.
vikrant
March 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
hii howard…
i have an inspiron 1420 with the same dreaded nvidia 8400m gs chip on it…
also, i faced the same problems with it recently as u did…
i’m quite frustrated because i dont use my notebook to its limits and still i’m facing a problem here…
maybe the nvidia video card has conked…
called the support people and i was pitched with the warranty scheme they had to offer…
i dont want to pay them for a warranty as i have never had any issues with my laptop n never used my warranty.
now… i would like to try your method of going to the court but dont how well will that work out in here in india…
i had bought my laptop from the US. little did i know that i’d be facing this day…
kindly suggest me a solution if u can…
thnx
vektör
April 18th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Hopefully it won’t happen again.
suresh
April 20th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
I have the same problem described,can any one suggest what to do,my warranty expired last month.
-Suresh
Jay
April 29th, 2010 at 1:49 am
Hi, Where do I find this Consumer Tribunal? … and other such consumer advocates?
I’m preparing to go to war with Dell. It’s absolutely disgusting how they treat customers and time for them (and their ilk) to be reminded that they got where they are with customer service and that they can go back to the bottom by forgoing it.
Thanks
Computer Repairs Perth
April 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
It’s fairly common and oddly enough will happen days after the warranty finishes. Strange how that works.
Aman
May 2nd, 2010 at 3:31 am
Thanks Howard for this detailed info.
I experienced the same thing in my Dell 1420 Inspiron.
I verified that its the same problem as per the steps you told to determine whether its chip problem or not.
I bought this Laptop from Dell Center in China (when I was there) exactly 2 yrs back.
It was working perfectly till last week. Strange thing is when I try to start & shut down many many times, the laptopn starts but after some time the display is out. Any reason why ?
Currently I don’t warranty for my laptop
Now, what to do in this case.
1. talk with Dell – which is waste of time, I think
2. Go to some local shop for change of NVIDIA chip
3. any others ?
Paul
May 18th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Proud to say this guide has worked for me. I had my doubts in the long process.. The fight began :
Contacted dell chat support using a different laptop serial tag which wasnt expired. Was quickly transferred from latitude support to inspiron support.
After a brief conversation, explaining the problem as seen above, the technician promptly stated I have to conact dell extended warranty support as this laptop has no warranty- end of story.
I called dell extended warranty , the number they gave me was 1-877-477-3355. I called the extended warranty and obtained a low level customer support tech. I explained the problem to him ( it was over his head) and he put me on hold several times “looking into the issue”. Upon coming back, he said the call needs to be transferred and asked if i would like to speak with customer support or technical support. Dumbfounded I asked, why can’t you assist me? And the technician repeated himself, and added I’m transferring you to technical support. Astonished, I had no choice but to oblige.
On to Extended warranty technical support. I explained the problem yet again, and with the requests for details from the technician, i provided him with the sure-fire symptoms of my video card failure ( hard disk operating, fan operating, lcd screen turned on, nothing displaying, colors cycle on lcd when “d” depressed while turning on laptop which indicate a non-lcd issue). The technician put me on hold for 5 minutes, returned saying that this laptop has a video card problem. The technician then attempted to transfer me to the dell parts hotline to have me PAY FOR THE VIDEO CARD as the laptop is out of warranty. Stopping the technician dead in his sentence, I clarified the situation. The laptop has a video card, which DELL has acknowledged to be defective. As this was the issue, they extended the warranty.. and my laptop survived that extended warranty period. Now why should i be charged extra if my laptop suffered from the defective video card post- extended warranty time. If this was a toyota with faulty brakes.. can you imagine toyota saying – we offered the brake fix for 1 year.. too bad u didnt know about that.. now please pay $2,000 to fix your car or else your car won’t work.
So, unmoved, the technician puts me on hold to confer with his supervisor whether or not he is able to provide the video card for free. Returning in about 60 seconds, the technician “regrets to inform me that the warranty is expired and the video card cannot be replaced free of charge”. I ask to speak with the supervisor. After being on hold for 5 minutes, the supervisor answers the phone. I knew this was the top of the food chain, and planned my introduction very smoothly. I introduced myself politely, and stated the issue with delicacy. The supervisor again, stated the laptop is out of warranty and she can transfer me to the parts hotline to order the video card. I repeated that this laptop , dell inspiron 1420, has been known to have this video card defect, correct? yes. Dell has acknowledged this defect and offered the 1 year extended warranty correct? yes, and the supervisor went on to put me on hold to see whether my laptop was affected by this issue. Coming back, the supervisor attempted telling me that my laptop does not have this nvidea video card defect as my laptop did not come with an nvidea card. I reassured the supervisor that my laptop has the video card in question, and provided my service tag.. upon checking the specifications, the supervisor attempted telling me the video card in question is only for the integrated mother board/video card combination, and my laptop is not such. Knowing this is not the case, I stated that my laptop does indeed have the integrated video card/motherboard combination as this has already been verified earlier.
The supervisor halted for a few seconds and agreed.. stating that given the circumstances of this issue, and as a one time exception, dell will be able to cover the cost of the motherboard and video card. … can i have your shipping address so I can send out a technician with the replacement hardware…?
In conclusion, you see the excruciating resilience it takes to win over dell customer support.. for a defect which they acknowledged earlier to be fixed on laptops which have just surpassed the warranty.. Please, take this long and elaborate ordeal which I have written out,( as i waited for the technician to give me a confirmation number ( yes, about 20 minutes)) as a proof to the ability to win against dell customer support.. Keep fighting, clawing, and biting.. and u just might get your way with Dell Customer Support- #1 in the businesss.. or so it still believes it is..
Yours Truly,
A tired Dell user
Got it Fixed, WA
May 24th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Thanks for the comment on this page everyone. My 1420 is one month over the extended warrenty for this nvidia defect, but I they still fixed my laptop for free.
They tried to say that they couldn’t (as any business would) but keep persisting and they will fix it for you in the end
cc
May 26th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I bought Inspiron 1420 in August2008. Since last month, it did have the same problem as Howard’s laptop. After I read Howard’s post, I did test my laptop. I restart my laptop by holding down the ‘Fn’ and ‘Start’ buttons. Well, my laptop runs normally. Can i know why?
I’m scared that my laptop will ‘die’ again suddenly.
lily
June 1st, 2010 at 12:57 pm
I experienced the same problem with my 1420 laptop, and seriously, tired with long talk with customer service or whatever. Is it worthy if I change my Nvdia chip at any computer shop without refer to Dell?
And yes, my laptop is out of warranty.
G Web
June 1st, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Do anybod of you know the name or model number of the dodgy nvidia chip? I am looking at buying a 2nd hand notebook, and want to make sure that I do not inadvertently purchase a ticking time bomb that will fail on me when I can ill afford it too.
Samson
June 9th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
For those who encountered this nVidia problem you can simply replace your 1420 motherboard with Non-nVidia graphic chip. 2nd hand 1420 motherboards can be easy purchase from China for ~US$150.
stncttr908
June 28th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Just had my GPU in my 1420 go on me today. I knew it would happen eventually as the 8400GS is nothing more than a ticking time bomb. I’ll try the methods suggested by those above and report back my results!
On the subject of replacing it with the Intel board, is that even possible? I would figure the NVIDIA equipped board would have more in the way of cooling that would cause the fitting of the Intel-only board to be a real PITA.
Miguel
July 8th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Hi Howard,
I am having exactly the same issue with a Vostro 1400, and Dell is not helping me because my system is out of warranty (same as yours). Could you please give me some email addresses or people names that I could contact?
Simon
July 17th, 2010 at 8:02 am
I have the same problem with my Dell Inspiron 1420. I had my graphics card die on me around the same time as Paul.
Ironically, without reading Paul’s comment, my arguments with the Dell supervisor followed the same script (except I was more adamant about my request). The sad part is that when I also brought up the Toyota recall/parts defects he dismissed it quickly and said Toyota’s situation was a life or death situation, mine wasn’t. Furthermore, his argument for the chip dying was my fault. He said that the extended warranty was issued as a precautionary measure to unsure that the few chips that were defective would be sent in and that my chip died regardless of the issue. I even went through the whole song and dance stating that Dell acknowledged the problem with an extended warranty, to which he agreed, but did nothing (other than offer a $100 limited time discount on the cost of replacing a motherboard).
Long story short, I am never buying a Dell again. My laptop would be the fourth Dell computer in our household, but never again. Thankfully, I bought my laptop using VISA and they value their one year extended warranty. They are in the process of reimbursing me with the money required to replace the mobo + card. However, due to the fact that they will be replacing the laptop with the SAME faulty graphics card, and another disastrous encounter with a sales representative (as mentioned below) I now abhor Dell. I will be putting this money towards a new desktop.
Note, always know all your facts before calling Dell. I got misdirected to the sales department during one of my calls.. and the representative somehow convinced me that I needed an EXPENSIVE OLD DESKTOP graphics card. When I accidentally gave out my card number, he cut me short and hung up. Thankfully, I was able to cancel the order before the mandatory restocking fee was issued.
Razali
July 20th, 2010 at 7:32 am
Is it possible to repair/replace the defected gpu from other vendor or computer outlet. Can i revert to original intel gpu? What model it was? If possible how much cost it will be. Any other suggestion.
Last not least any advice is appreciated.
evan
July 27th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Yep, same damn thing happened with my inspiron 1420. Same specs, same bullshit. I was able to get the 1 year extended hardware warranty for like $168 though, better than $400+ for a mobo replacement. All 1420 users with the 8400GS beware, this WILL happen eventually if you use any kind of graphics intensive programs. Be prepared, extend your warranties, so you don’t get bent over by dell.
J-girl
August 9th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Hi from Japan. Exactly same here with my Inspiron 1420 purchased here in Japan at early 2008. I phoned Technical Service thousand times and talked to different operaters at each time, but they don’t even know what the damn problem is. They said that the problem might be “dust” around fan area. You guys are lucky that you can talk to operators who speak your language at least. Here in japan, all Technical operators are foreigners who don’t really know Japanese. That doubles up stress!!!
MacMike
August 15th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Bought a used Mac Book Pro 15 2.2GHz Santa Rosa off eBay. Used the Mac for about one month and suddenly no video. Found Apple recall info & set up Genius Bar appt. at local Apple Store. After 20 minutes, tech returns PC and says it’s not covered under the recall because the chip serial number is not in “their” list of eligible machines, even though manufacture dates and serial number of MBP is well within recall parameters, “Genius ” tech said they can do a repair for $600. Being a tech myself, (and an Apple user and tech longer than this guy has walked the planet!), I said no thanks and left store very dissatisfied with Apple. I’m currently attempting a re-solder fix to see if that works, otherwise, I’m looking at a replacement mobo that’s almost the cost of the Mac. If I didn’t need a dual boot machine so bad for work I’d tell Apple to shove their overpriced laptops where sun doesn’t shine.
Raj
August 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 am
Hi
Thanks for the information.
I encountered a dispaly error ( due to high temperature) and contacted DELL. My warranty had expired and I offered to renew it but quoted over 50% of the cost of the laptop. I said no thanks.
The problem occured again today and my system seems to boot but there is no display. This post really helped me gaining a perspetive on the problem. However, I have lost trust on DELL because they never alerted a customer to the problem despite several occurences. In my view this amounts to incompetence if not cheating.
Nevertheless, thanks for the insights in this post.
DeA
August 25th, 2010 at 4:19 am
I tried call the number but it was all about pay 400 plus bucks for motherboard replacement. So 1100.00 dollars and less than 2 years of good use and its a piece of junk. I uninstalled the display driver and my laptop has not restarted or given any errors with display but the video is choppy without the driver. Looks good just slow and a little choppy. Im sure any intensive apps that use the video will not work without the drivers now. We need to figure out something to do with dell. This is on them.
joe
September 20th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
screw u dell.
I bought defective components. i literally have no time for complaining as i got paper tests, lab projects, and such.
I’ve just gone to a computer store and paid $240++.
u happy now
Sarah
September 29th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Hey, can I get your service tag for your computer? I had the exact same problem, only I didn’t know about this in time, so I had to pay almost $400 to replace the motherboard. Now, I am trying to get my money back and the guy who call doesn’t believe me when I told him about this because he “fully researched” every possible thing that could’ve applied to my situation. Thanks!
TR Lee
October 8th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Dear Howard,
Mine also affected. Mine is Inspiron 1420 with NVidia 8400 M GS. I’ve managed to disabled the card driver before that by log into safe mode and still managed to use it for a week or two. However, last night the screen totally gone blank when want to start my notebook. My notebook has been more than 2 years now even it should expired the extended warranty period. Did they replaced back the same nvidia chipset back to you and a newer version motherboard? I was thinking if they replaced with same nvidia chipset or motherboard, it won’t solve the problem forever as the problem might back in 2-3 years maybe right? Then we have to gone through the trouble again.
Dellvictory
October 14th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Had exact same problem as everyone else, graphics card malfunctioned, screen won’t start or just shuts off. After some research and info gathering I called Dell to see what they could do. If you want to get anywhere with Dell, know what your talking about and BE PERSISTANT. I had to be a real A-hole to just about everyone I talked to (and yes I was on the phone with them for over 2 hours, so set some time aside). The real kicker was I recieved a card in the mail about a class action lawsuit against Nvidia for this exact issue the day that I called!!! So after chatting with everyone and his mother at Dell tech support, they told me they would have someone call from the Corporate office to help me get the issue resolved (I was skeptical). However, I recieved a call the next day from corporate (and I was pleasant as could be with them), explained the situation, and Woohoo, they sent me a brand new inspiron 14R at NO CHARGE!!!! I couldn’t believe it…
Here is the link to the class action website:
http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/
GOOD LUCK!
Long
October 15th, 2010 at 2:23 am
Mine 2 years old 1420 with 8400GS is now useless, split screen.
I recieved a notification from NVidiaSettlement.com, talked about compensasion for the faulty video.
I have the service tag, but don’t have the part number for the NVidia (Dell does not list the p/n on the original configuration)
If anyone have the part number, please send it to me at cjjln8@comcast.net
Thank you,
Long.
Vishwanath
October 19th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Hi All,
Did anyone tried same trick in India ? Today i have gone through the same pain but one of the Higher management Executive explained that only few Nvidia Graphics cards will get replaced based on Mac address.They said that my laptop is not covered under this…so he asked me to go for extended warranty. But i am not satisfied with his answers …did anyone gone through the same procedure ? Any latest information on this ?
Thanks
Vishwanath.Sadhu
Jonathan Mohan
October 29th, 2010 at 5:05 am
Hi,
I just got this problem myslef, I am a college student so I really cant afford a new computer, for the dell vicotrory person who got a new r14, or anyone with a successful outcome, could we please talk on how you did that because that is an amazing outcome
jonmohan(at)gmail d o t com
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Şarkı Dinle
November 1st, 2010 at 6:15 pm
This type of reaction from a company of the size and reputation of. Then we have to gone through the trouble again.
txv
December 6th, 2010 at 12:12 am
how much does it cost to replace this GPU card at smaller repair shops?
josh
December 19th, 2010 at 1:41 am
I have the same problem with dell inspirom 1420, I call dell and they did nothem for me ,, Iam so disapointed..
Imperialist
December 20th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
my laptop, dell inspiron 1420 also facing the same problem, pfft
satya
December 29th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Hi Guy’s,,
i got the same problem with my inspiron1420, graphics card malfunctioned, screen won’t start/if started shut off few minutes later. One of our friend give this URL http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/ as per his comment he got new one insted of faulty old laptop. my question is in which country they changed new laptop, because of now im in Malaysia, is there any chance for me..?
satya
kai
December 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
yea..im from malaysia as well..i’ve called dell several times today and they told me the policy of dell in each country is different..they said they won’t fix it for me because my laptop is not under warranty..i even threatened them with consumers tribunal..they asked me to go ahead..he told me to get the service tag number of the laptops that they have fixed for free..
anyone here from malaysia that had their laptop fixed for free by dell? i need the service tag number..thank you
kai
January 1st, 2011 at 9:32 am
howard..please..i need your service tag number..then they’ll fix my laptop…
satya
January 6th, 2011 at 4:47 am
Hi, me to logged a case on 30th Dec about this. Dell customer support person noted all the things and collect my mobile number, e-mail address etc.. , they said they will check with their higher management and back to me. im waiting for reply from them.
satya
kai
January 6th, 2011 at 10:55 am
hi satya…then i will wait for your update here..somehow i think they won’t admit their fault and fix for us that easily..
satya
January 6th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Hi Kai,
i will informe you through this blog about my case update, as my knowledge there is no chance to repair that nvidia grafic card because of it is fixed onboard. Need to replace entire motherboard or replace total laptop.
satya
kai
January 9th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
i see..i didnt know the board is fixed onboard.. thanks for the info..btw, which part of malaysia u are from?
satya
January 12th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Hi Guy’s
I got 50% success only, Dell agreed to change my motherboard instead of defective one. Yesterday Dell engineer changed my laptop motherboard, but I doubted about that motherboard. (As my 7+ years Hardware/software experience it’s not new board, it’s old one) I asked to Dell engineer about that he said he don’t know, he follows as per instructions. Again I called Dell and asked about this, they said they don’t have that kind of motherboard. ( it’s joke of the year because Dell is a world wide company, they produce thousand of computers/gadgets per day) and they provide 3 months extended warranty, again I asked I don’t want that give me new motherboard/ 1 year extended warranty/ replace with new laptop. They said it’s not possible, I asked again bring your manager in this conference I want to talk with him, dell said the manager is in meeting (may be try to escape) and suggest me to call back after some time. Due to busy with office it’s not possible call 2 dell.
I will call to dell about my case and continue… Until I got good result.
All the guy’s
Continue call to Dell about this issue will get good results, bee patience while talking with them, ask for result
Don’t loose your hope, u will get good results
Those guy’s who are using DiGi, call all kind of toll free numbers starting with 1800xxxx it’s free from DiGi.
All the best guy’s please keep posting on this blog about this issue and help other people
satya
kai
January 13th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
satya, can u give me your service tag number? i need it to call dell..thank you
satya
January 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Hi Kai,
your service tag is enough to log a case to dell. no need to other service tag’s ( if they repeating extend your warrenty, u just say i saw few blogs, some guy’s are got replacement on same issue from Dell, ask why not me..?) don’t lose your hope and one more thing, take your case number and customer care person number for followup.
kai
January 20th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
hi satya,
yea..i know about that..but the problem is the person on phone said that they need at least a service tag number of the person they fixed..i told them i saw on blog and forum..but he said that’s not enough..he wants a proof..then they’ll fix for me..my laptop has been died for 2 months and i need it badly to do my assignments..i just need a service tag number..please, i need it as proof to dell..if you are worry of giving your service tag number in public..u can send it to my email or to my phone number..u are my only hope now..thanks
jonoave
January 26th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Hi,
I’m quite sure I had the same problem too. My laptop is about 2 years old now. Less than a year ago (after my warranty expired), my laptop couldn’t display anything. The backscreen is lighted, but no display (e.g. when in idle mode withi no screen saver).
So I called support, told them my problem and was told it’s a motherboard problem. Took out an extended warranty for RM1k. Got a new motherboard. Less than 6 months later, the screen started flickering/jumpinge every few minutes, then more frequently.
Called them again, and got a new motherboard. Now bout 3 months later, the flickering started again. And that’s when I googled and found the Nvidia problem too. I think mine is due to overheating, as I sometimes run analysis work (leaving laptop o/n but has cooling pad and well-ventilated area). If I turn off my laptop and leave it for a while , the flickering stop. But after using it a while, it will start again and get more frequent.
I still have 2 more months for my warranty. If I call again, I think I can get another motherboard – imagine that: 4 motherboard in 2 years! I’m also thinking of calling the Consumer Tribunal, cos if they give me a new (same) motherboard and the flickering start after my warranty expires then it’s not gonna solve anything.
omg
January 26th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
hi jonoave,
which model of Dell you are using? If you are using Inspiron 1420, and had your graphic card upgraded to Nvidia 8400, then your motherboard keep spoiling is because of that. I think you will have your warranty and parts exchange receipt or statement with you. You can use that to sue Dell because they are strong evidence. 4 motherboards in 2 years, that’s unacceptable. If you are requesting them to change for you, make sure they do not give you another faulty chip again, or else you’ll end up having your motherboard overheating again. Request for another model like Intel or request them to give you a new laptop.
jonoave
January 27th, 2011 at 9:43 am
hi omg,
Yes, I’m using an Inspiron 1420 with nVidia 8400. When my first motherboard kaput, I did not know it was a known issue and took out an extended warranty for RM1k.
But now I found out its’ a worldwide issue. And I also think it’s a heating issue, where the flicking starts after a while and gets worse. But if i turn it off for a long time (or move it to a very cold-airconned room), then it will be gone for a while. Note that I’m not using my laptop on a bed or something, but on a cooling pad in a ventilated room.
Well I’m currently using the 3rd motherboard, but if I call their tech support I’m quite sure I can get a new motherboard – the 4th one.
jonoave
January 27th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Short update:
I called the technical support – at first they said they will send a dispatch service, and likely a motherboard change. I insisted that this does not solve my problem as the likelihood of it failing is very high (this current mobo is only 2 months old, and the flickering started bout a month ago!).
Then they said they will extend my warranty for 3 months. Which is not that great, considering that I was not informed of this known issue and took the extended warranty myself last year for RM1k.
Finally they said they will send a dispatch for service, and they will keep an eye on this issue for 3 months and depending on my feedback. After that if anything happens they will bring it up with the upper management. Well I agree to it and we’ll see how things goes.
The big problem to me, is the indirect effects. Dell technical support is good, but I have to waste time to call them and then take time out for the service guy to come. Even if they give me a new motherboard every month, it is a hassle and stress to go through to call them up and arrange every time.
jonoave
January 27th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Btw – when the service guy comes and change my mobo. It will be my 4th motherboard in 2 years. My first mobo lasted slightly more than 1 year, the second one bout 6 months, then third one bout 2 months.
Though the flicking problem started earlier in both cases but I delayed calling cos I was busy and urgently needed to use my laptop.
omg
January 27th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
hi jonoave,
good for you because yours is still under warranty, although you spent 1k for it. At least your problem is solved just by a phone call. Dell treats customers without warranty like shit. It has been 3 months since my laptop spoiled. I still don’t get it solved no matter how much I needed my laptop to get my works done. You better get your motherboard changed to a new one without faulty chip before your warranty expired, or else you’ll end up miserable like me.
Just FYI, Dell will change an old motherboard into your laptop. Got it from the posts above
jonoave
January 27th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Hi omg,
If you look at this blog post,
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/Direct2Dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2008/08/18/nvidia-gpu-update-dell-to-offer-warranty-enhancement-to-all-affected-customers-worldwide.aspx
Dell is offering a worldwide warranty extension for 12 months for any problems that is due to a faulty chip and it applies to certain laptop models. Note that this applies worldwide and if your laptop is one of the models stated then you can ask (demand!) for it.
Dell Malaysia actually knows bout this, cos I mentioned it and they seemed aware. However, they won’t tell you about it (unless you ask/pester them) and will ask you to take an extended warranty for RM1k.
I would suggest you ask them about it.Tell them it’s a known worldwide issue and that there is a 12-month warranty extension applied worldwide. You need to be strong and insist on it. Worse comes to worse, I would suggest you try like the OP and mention the Consumer Tribunal. You also have a good case as it a worldwide warranty extension.
And yes, I’m aware that they’ll likely be putting in the old design motherboard for my laptop. However they mentioned that they will monitor my feedback and depending on it, they will bring it up to upper management. Well I also plan to ask about the 12-month warranty extension worldwide.
omg
January 27th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
hi jonoave,
yes..i knew about the extension warranty they gave. But mine spoiled 2 months after the extension warranty’s date. Now they only give me 2 choices, either pay for extended warranty about 1k or change part by part. No third choice, I even mentioned about Consumer Tribunal, but the staff just told me to go ahead. I insisted to have a name to file the complain, but the staff just told me to put Dell, which is not effective.
jonoave
January 27th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Hi omg,
That is tough, but I dunno what else you can do but be persistent and ask for a name under customer support. Or try to google Dell Malaysia and look for the person in Customer Service or something.
You know the sad thing is, I was a big fan of Dell. I loved their customisation and excellent technical support. But this incident and their chosen approach to deal with this problem has left a very bad taste in my mouth.
omg
January 28th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
hi jonoave,
im trying all i could now, im waiting for satya’s reply. hope he can give me his service tag number, then i will have hope.
same thing here, used to recommend everyone Dell because of the excellent service they provide… but now they spoiled my faith towards them
manila
February 8th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
hi yall,
i have the same problem man, i fackedup my dell inspiron 1420 after an update has been made for nvidia.. with no output on screen and use an LCD ti fix it, at first i can restore it from previous dates.. gut then, accidentally AGAIN it updates.. and this time i cant use an lcd to see what is goinon it said there at it was “not supported”.. do i have no choice but to replace the chip or is there something i can do to it.. and have no warranty to my laptop ..
any reply to this will help me , thanks man
Sathyadas
February 9th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
I am facing the same issue for last two weeks on my Inspiron 1420 bought on Aug 2008. I called up dell tech support in India. My warranty actually expired in Aug 2009. They were insisting on renewing my warranty which is INR 14k for an year. Add a couple of thousand INR, you can actually buy a new laptop. I have emailed Dell seeking explanation for not intimating about a defective component after they became aware of that when my machine was under warranty. I think it is obligatory and ethical on Dell’s part to replace the Motherboard free of cost because it is a manufacturing defect.
I will seek legal remedies if they do not oblige to change my MB for free.
william hodgkisson
February 27th, 2011 at 10:00 am
i’m suffering the same problem with my dell inspiron 1420.it’s only useful as a paper weight.
Solence
March 13th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Same thing happen to my Dell 1420. Had stop my company to purchase anymore Dell products. Replace all of them even a mouse. Money can’t buy our crucial data and hassle. Guess what, my company Tech guys prefer HP more than Dell. The defect ill fated Dell laptop had stay remain untouched in recycling centre for months now. Ugly sight.
Takeshi
April 1st, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Thanks for your post here,I got a replacement of mother board from Dell.
Beofre i seen this forum,i actually got it fixed in Lowyat for rm200. It was ok then the sam ething came back and i got to there to ask them to fix(warranty for 1 month). When i got back and after i downloaded a game,the screen gone blank again.
Got no choice but to ask Dell to replace the motherboard.
Its good and running now.
Takeshi
April 1st, 2011 at 7:24 pm
Continue on my post above there,my laptop warranty ended in June 2010(including the additional 1 year warranty). But i told them this not fair to customer as the selling defective product to us. And demanded for exchanging of Nvdia Card.the techinician came and do some screen test to confirm if it was LCD problem.My screen show some colors and confirmed its vga card problem.
He changed the mobo and told me that the vga card was actually come with the mobo. So,they got to replace the whole board.
However,the mobo that they changed for me did not come with any warranty,they offered me one time free support for this.
For those who got problem with the laptop,you got no choice but to change the whole mobo. Hope this mobo will last at least a year before it gives any problem.
But rm200 spent in lowyat was burned without any solutions. I would strongly advise not to send to this shop name Equiflux Tech Sdn Bhd on 2nd floor. They did not really fixed the problem,less than 5 hours after they “fixed”,the same problem came back and they tried to tell me its mobo this time and wanna charged extra. I quikly told them that i read alot from forum and its confirmed card problem and stop finding excuse.
My advice for those staying in Malaysia is to keep on sending email to the tech support and make sure you mentioned you really will go to Tribunal Court. I dun think they can afford to send some managers from Penang just to attend the court sessions in KL. And final result could be still they need to fix your laptop. And its not going to be a good reputation for them as well.
Kalika
April 9th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I am facing the same problem and my laptop is out of warranty.
pls help..
Jerritt
May 21st, 2011 at 3:01 am
If the screen displays normally during the start and then during the diagnostic boot, could it still have the NVIDIA problem or is it most likely something else?
Nehemiah
June 6th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
I bought Dell Inspiron 1420 laptop on 26th Aug 2008. I also have this NVIDIA issue. I am from India. 2 weeks back, this issue raised and there is blank screen in my laptop monitor. My warranty expired on 26th Aug 2009. Now I called Dell support regarding issue. They are saying that they cannot do anything on this. NVIDIA settlement of replacing the defected models is only for US. What about India?
Nothing…Nothing…Nothing…Nothing…
satya
June 20th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Hi Guy’s,
sorry for late reply, due to some issues i went back, anyhow anyone get replacement from dell..?
Sheldon
July 8th, 2011 at 3:41 am
OMG.. I had no clue that this was such a big problem.. I have got the same issue with mine abt 8 months now and had totally given up on it…
I had purchased my dell inspiron 1420 in march 2008 with a 1 year warranty. Been 2 years now since my warranty has expired..
Thanks a lot Howard for this post! I’ll be calling Dell tomorrow… Any one has had any success with replacement in India ?
Zola
July 13th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
I was shocked when I read Howard’s post. Same Dell 1420, same upgraded NVIDIA 8400M GS and bought on the same year 2007. Oh, exactly the same video card problems as Howard was kind enough to explose the defective NVIDIA 8400 to us, which I only found out today.
Shame on DELL. RM 970.00 was verbally quoted to me for the extended warranty to replace the part on July 11, 2011. With that amount, they are indirectly tryna tell me to get a new Inspiron 14 for RM1,549.00 on offer now.
My next option, the Consumer Tribunal.
AK_Guy
July 15th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Same issue here. I got my Inspiron 1420 in 2007 right at launch, and today right in the middle of some time critical work the display driver crashed and recovered. Then shortly after it failed again and the screen defaulted to a locked minimum resolution at 4bpp color depth. There was a ‘mesh’ oh horizontal lines of random information all over the screen. After about an hour (while I scrambled to backup my files) the laptop simply shut off out of nowhere.
If I turn it back on without letting it cool down the screen stays black. If I wait for a while (and it improves the longer I wait) and power it on, it will sometimes let me see the graphics in a semi-normal fashion (with some display corruption).
This has been a very well kept machine, in an ideal cool environment. I don’t game on it or push it. And I have been running the latest firmware that keeps the fan RPM’s higher than normal. Despite that, it still seems to have failed.
I’ll call Dell in the morning and see what can be done. I’ll reference this article when I speak with them.
AK_Guy
July 16th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Update: So, I called Dell. They asked me for my service tag, warned me I was outside of warranty, and then forwarded me from the technical support desk to the out of warranty service center. They then informed me that even if I had a warranty, the max warranty is only good for 5 years max.
They said the new motherboard with the 8400M would be around ~$450 (US), and that if I ‘called’ a sales rep they could get me a new, faster computer for less than the motherboard cost. I instructed them that I had seen this page and many other people experiencing the same issue – some of them getting a replacement motherboard free of charge.
It didn’t matter. They informed me that they service, and offer service to “NO” computers that are out of warranty, and that I would be expected to pay full price for the part and need to have it installed at a service center or Best Buy.
I tried to explain myself again, but it was no use. They were not willing to help.
I hope other have better luck working with Dell on this, but sadly, I’m stuck having to search Ebay for a used part.
Manikandan
July 20th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
I am also facing the same problem. This bleedy del online support team
jonoave
July 21st, 2011 at 9:55 am
@AK_Guy
In my case, I got the motherboard replaced after taking out an extended warranty (which cost slightly less than the motherboard itself), as I didn’t know bout this issue at that time.
If you’re getting a new motherboard, get a different model. Ie. not the Dell one with an nVidia graphics card. The problem is the motherboard/graphics card itself, so if you get another one it’s just a matter of time before it fails again. For me, once this motherboard kaput (it’s only a matter of time), I’m getting a new absolutely non-Dell laptop.
vijay
August 31st, 2011 at 8:09 am
Howard, Thanks for the wonderful blog.
I am also having similar issue where my Inspiron 1420 did not boot after i powered it up, no display but the fans seems to be working. I tried the two methods mentioned in the blog, pressing the ‘D’ button shows different colors, but holding the fn + start button i didn’t hear any beep after 5 mins. Is this an indication that the issue is not related to Nvidia chip?
Also the below are the events i observed after i boot up
1. Press power button
2. The hard disk LED lits up and after few seconds goes off
3. No LEDS lit up on the top row like Volume up, down, mute…etc
4. After few seconds i see the fan is running. No display even after hours.
Can any one please confirm are these observation are in line with what you have observed. Paul?
Thanks,
Vijay
lina
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 am
so, it would seem i may be having the same issue instead of dealing with the run around from dell i think im gonna drop it off with my uncle to fix, ive attempted to deal with dell before for other issues and found it almost impossible for them to fix anything unless you waste half your day on the phone with under qualified techs who wouldnt know their faces if you showed them a mirror, in short never again will anyone in my family or friends own a dell POS
jonoave
September 16th, 2011 at 10:13 am
@Vijay
Hello, I can’t say the events that happen to me are similar to yours. Mine was:
1. Screen started flickering, growing more frequent over time.
2. No display on scree, though screen is lighted. E.g. when you boot up and load windows before anything appears on the screen.
3. Testing with the video display, it will bring up the colours bar properly.
Good luck with your problems!
Harish
November 1st, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Hi Guys, I got the mother board replaced from Dell in extended warranty in 2009 but now again Iam facing the same problem. To hell with Dell..
Is there any quick fix by replacing some minor part in mother board ?
Jay
November 30th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
WHAT?!?!
And I only learn of this in 2011?!?!
I got my Inspiron 1420 in August of 2008 and in October of 2009 I experienced random crashes when playing Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne. Eventually PC wouldn’t boot up. I had to send it in for repair, costing a whole lot of money (warranty ended just a few months prior to the problem)
When I got it back, it worked, everything’s fine (I’m still using it right now! although I just built myself a new pc with an intel core i5-2500k and radeon hd 6850 [can't trust nvidia lol] having problems with the wifi with it though so I’m still using this XD) and apparently the problem was due to a ‘video hardware problem’ with the GeForce 8400M GS. I just assumed I happened to be a very unlucky customer who just so happens to receive a faulty GeForce 8400M GS.
I didn’t know it was a huge defect that others experienced as well!
“A problem with your video hardware caused Windows to stop working correctly.”
After reading this I will never purchase an NVIDIA or Dell product again. Good thing the pc I built has AMD Radeon.
CGW
December 14th, 2011 at 8:52 am
The 1420 was a total lemon. Like others here, mine died in 2008 inside warranty(thankfully), got a new motherboard, then died outside the abbreviated warranty Dell Canada offered on the new–and similarly defective–board in 2010. US Dell 1420 owners got a break but Canadian 1420 owners got shafted. Dell.ca offered me a refurbed 1420 with the same baked-in defect and no warranty for $400–$50 less than a replacement defect-ridden MB on my old machine. This was a pricey, top-of-the-line config machine that was junk after 2 years. My third and LAST Dell product-ever. Even cheapie ACER laptops hold up better than Dell’s crapola products.